From the comments in the older thread Nick Schwaner was mentioned. He played all of last year at Bowling Green, primarily in LF, and hit .229/.272/.357 in 420 ABs. He was drafted in the 30th round of 2010 and played for Hudson Valley after signing. In HV he was mostly a 3B (with some LF), but made 11 errors in 40 games at third and didn't play there at all in BG.
Raymond Church and Junior Rodrigues. Some pitchers were released also, but I am not to sure who they were. Will that be the last cut or do u think they will make one at the end?
Church is interesting as far as BGs 2B. Sounds like Brett may make the jump. These won't be the last cuts, but I don't think there will be another big list like this one. Expect to see some guys retire too. After full-season rosters come out it's usually individual moves by guys in extended ST leading up to short-season rosters.
I was surprised to see schwaner and church get cut. Schwaner not as much because he did struggle some(not saying he isn't a good ballplayer) Church I was the most surprise with because last year was his first year and he didn't do all that bad. I wouldn't be surprise if a few more outfielders were cut :( there are a few guys in the outfield that I definately think are on the bubble.
who would tose outfielders be?
I hated to see Schwaner go. Was hoping he would get another chance this year :(
Way too much talent in this organization! Robert Dickman all he does is get people out... Lefty with good stuff should get picked up by someone. This is the "crazy time" people destroying dreams. Tough life!
Now is the best time to go though, still time to hook on elsewhere, esp with indy teams. To me the worst is the guys who are released at the end of the season. No where to play for a few months, no one to sign with right away, just go home and stew. Has to be the worst. I expect Dickmann and the other pitchers to at least get indy offers, if they want them. Some guys just walk away even with offers.
Just checked HV stats for Rob Dickmann. 2010 ERA was 2.41, 2011- ERA was 1.65 AND DICKMANN was selected to play on the NY Penn League ALL STAR TEAM.
I've mentioned the lack of lefty relievers before, and now 3 more gone (Stabelfeld, Dickmann and Espinosa). Look at the depth chart, only going to be 1 or 2 at each level. Maybe Spann makes BG?Also thought there would be a couple more from higher levels than just Espinosa. Guess those will come later.Also, expect some signings to be announced in the next week or so. Maybe a lower level catcher and AA/AAA depth. If there is an injury they may get a specific need guy too, like when Velasquez went down and Salem was already out, they signed Shelby for AA CF last year.
Really, really surprised to see last year's draft pick- Raymond Church- released. Thought for sure he'd be on the BG roster, even if it was as a backup 2nd baseman. Do you realize there are only a total of 5 position players left on last year's Hudson Valley roster, according to Rays' Prospects Depth Chart? Several pitchers also have been cut the past few months. Is Hudson Valley becoming the place you DON'T want to be sent to?
On Church/BG - wonder if this means Brett jumps up or Guevara repeats?On HV - Lyerly technically counts as HV, he was promoted to BG at the end of the season but never played. But your point stands, not many left. HV should be fine this year with the draft changes. Even with all the high picks last year, the signing deadline was 8/16, so the top picks who signed late really weren't going to report for a couple of weeks. This year it will be 7/13, so everyone should play this summer unless injured. Helps Princeton too.
Do u think lyerly will be cut as well? I mean where is there a spot for him
I have talked to Brett & one of the decision-makers, and both seemed to believe he could be in Bowling Green this year. I hope it is ok to say that on here, not sure of the etiquette with that.
what is spanns chances to go to bowling green do u think heard he has been throwing well
Among 2011 21th~50th round draftees, Only 10 players are playing this years.
Not great odds, are they. I'm amazed how quickly TB released those 1st year 2011 draft picks-mainly Raymond Church, who started 2B for Hudson Valley last year. TB must have very high hopes for all those high pick high schoolers from last year. Many of them did not perform well at the lower Princeton level. Now, it looks as though these same players will jump over the next level-HV and play in an even tougher Bowling Green. I'm wondering if, once again, the "$$$" part of baseball may once again win out over who's the better player. Time will tell.
Most of these guys were at the lower levels last year. Looking at the higher levels (ML, AAA, AA & A+), and this blogs own Depth Chart, there are 48 position players at these 4 levels, which doesn't take into account rising players from the A and SS A levels. These players (including the risers) are fighting for, at most, 49 spots (ML - 13, AAA, AA and A+ - 12 each). I would therefore expect to see some releases from the higher levels before camp breaks. IMO, guys like Coon, Salazar, Feliciano, Gimenez, and (possibly) Rhymes, are in an "all or nothing" situation, meaning it's ML or bust.
In a way, I'm disappointed that TB had so many draft picks. I think that's why they have let so many of their picks in their teens and twenties go. In the past, draft picks weren't let go after one short season. This year is ridiculous. Hudson Valley was particularly hit hard. (Belter, Bass, Laufer, Church, Winder, Biaginni, Koscso, Luis, Bryles, Guillen, Colon, Holloway, Dickmann, and Jannis. Leary voluntarily retired and Olivares went to the Red Sox. Too bad they weren't picked up by a different team. Perhaps, then, maybe some of them like Dickmann and Church, would still be playing.
is stayton thomas still in camp.HAD GOOD NUMBERS AT HV
He is still in camp.